Group Reviews are two or added editors accepting a real-time altercation about a agent over the messaging app Slack. While active impressions are covered and authentic blueprint are added in the edit, these reviews are advised to accept freewheeling, communicative tone. This is The Drive’s Group Analysis on the 2018 Toyota Sequoia TRD Sport.
joshOkay, 2018 Toyota Sequoia TRD Sport. I charge to cut to the hunt bound on this one: Why would I pay $51,000 for this 10-year-old Tundra, and why do I like it so much?
[After-the-Fact Check: The analysis vehicle’s as-tested sticker amount was absolutely $59,840.]
mikespinI can’t amount it out. The affair is thirsty, the infotainment arrangement is outdated, the autogenous is basically the avocado-colored kitchen accessories of SUVs. But for some acumen I like that about it.
[After-the-Fact Check: EPA breadth is 13 mpg burghal / 17 mpg highway.]
josh Because old trucks are absorbing by nature.
mikespin True. It’s absolutely the best discreet ample SUV you can buy. But you pay for the privilege.
joshOkay, let’s breach it down. THIS is why you’re advantageous at atomic some of that money: a reliable V-8; the adeptness to calmly booty eight bodies to Missouri on a whim; 7,400 pounds towing capacity; 120 cubic all-overs of accessible burden space; Bilstein shocks; and anti-sway confined advanced and rear.
Also, there’s A LOT of included assurance tech.
mikespinThat’s true. It’s got a ton of accepted appearance you pay added for in the leaders, like driver-assistance tech.
joshAdaptive cruise ascendancy with full-stop; forward-collision and banal warning; lane-departure warning; emergency braking; auto aerial beams.
mikespinExactly./giphy abounding plate
joshStill, the infotainment awning is so old it’s jarring. You get in and apprehend Jason Mraz to be announcement on the Top 40 approach on your way to Jamba Juice.
[After-the-Fact Check: The Sequoia comes with a 6.1-inch touchscreen.]
/giphy Jason Mraz
mikespin I’m afraid Toyota is still abaft on infotainment. It doesn’t accomplish sense.
joshIt’s weird, though, in some means I anticipate of these extra-old lifecycle cars as, in a way, advantageous for a awakening trim package. I parallel-parked this affair in amid a Acute car and a Prius, and the barter didn’t say boo. Meanwhile, bygone in a Lexus I approved to action about an 18-wheeler through advancing traffic, and the car bricked itself in panic.
All that aerial tech gets you a car acute abundant to accept an all-overs attack. Whereas, with the Sequoia, it feels like I’m advantageous a bit added to be larboard alone.
mikespin I HATE that. Stop jamming on the brakes aback we get aural 10 all-overs of addition car. We’re in New York Burghal for f***s sake.
joshParking garages are nightmares. Yes, yes, there’s a pole there. There are lots of poles. WE’RE SURROUNDED BY CARS AND POLES, LEARN TO DEAL.
mikespin Aloof like in Warsaw. Badum bum.
mikespinThat Toyota V-8 is old and boy does it adulation gasoline. It’ll put abroad a case of gas in the aboriginal inning.
[After-the-Fact Check: The Sequoia has a 5.7-liter V-8 bearing 381 hp and 401 lb-ft of torque, forth with a six-speed automatic.]
joshAnd it’s, like, $75 to ample up the tank. I accumulate wondering: If you’re Toyota, why are you still architecture this? Is there addition bazaar besides the U.S.?
mikespinWell, the applique is paid off. It’s authentic profit.
joshRight. Since the Sequoia is based on the Tundra, I accumulate cerebration of it like a truck. But the full-size SUV bazaar doesn’t accept the aforementioned adherence as the full-size barter market. There are burghal families affairs this car aloof because it will fit the hockey gear, and is reliable. It’s the acumen my mom collection a Ford Expedition aback she had four kids at home. Lots of soccer practice.
mikespinYeah, and gas is still appealing cheap. The Sequoia has added amplitude central than a Yukon, so added hockey accessory and additionally the old two kids and two accompany and an added developed equation.
joshYou could use that in a compression to shuttle a starting NBA aggregation to the game, if their bus bankrupt down. It’s huge.
mikespinAnd the developed can sit in the third row. Like a full-sized adult.
josh Hell, added than one.
mikespin/giphy grown-ass man
joshIf not that burghal ancestor demographic, who’s affairs this? It rolls about like a canoe and parking spots big abundant alone appear every abounding moon.
mikespin Plus no accepted Wi-Fi hot spot, no Android Auto, no Apple CarPlay. You could buy a 2014 and not apprehension any difference. So why buy new?
joshOh, but there’s TOYOTA’S adaptation of CarPlay, Entune, which of advance we’ve all been clamoring for.
Also, there’s no acumen not to buy a 2014 model.
mikespin We could accomplish this a analysis of the 2014 Tacoma. Or 2012.
Wait—19 cubic all-overs of amplitude abaft the rear seats. That’s massive. Amplitude is the analgesic app.
josh I’m saying, the arduous brand has to be the capital affairs point. You can’t advise big.
mikespin True. Also, torquey engine. It’s about fun.
joshI was aloof attractive around, and allegedly nobody’s affairs this: Sales are bisected of what they were in 2008 (the aftermost time this was refreshed), according to a Daily News piece. This car should be, what, $40K? Aloof based on merit?
mikespinWow, if they alone the amount by $10K they’d advertise every one of them and still about-face a profit. They should do what Aston Martin did with the run-out, 10-year-old Vantage. Offer a GT archetypal for a massive discount.
joshExactly. Like you acicular out, they’ve already paid this car off.
mikespin Just accomplish it a complete stripper. $35k out the door.
joshHell, I’d buy one.
mikespinHell yeah I would too. Cloth seats. Aloof absolutely with nothing. Roll-up windows even.
joshYeah, right, but the abject archetypal is appealing abutting to what you’re anecdotic now—cloth seats, broke-ass infotainment—save for the assurance stuff, costs FIFTY ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
[After-the-Fact Check: Again, the analysis vehicle’s as-tested sticker amount was absolutely $59,840.]
mikespin/giphy money money money
joshPriced like that, we’re aloof arena with a soon-to-be-dinosaur. We’re watching afterlife happen.
mikespinYeah, they don’t care. GM treats its ample SUVs like Mercedes treats its S-Class.
joshIs there addition bazaar for these cars?
mikespinMaybe? It doesn’t accept the aforementioned acceptability as the Land Cruiser though.
joshThe body affection doesn’t feel accidentally adequate for the Average East.
mikespin Oh! Admitting I anticipate it charge advertise in Saudi Arabia. Toyotas do appealing able-bodied there. And UAE.
josh/giphy arid racing
mikespinYES. Interesting though. This Sequoia came out in the average of the 2008 bread-and-butter apocalypse. They’ve spent 10 years authoritative their money back. Maybe they absolutely aloof paid off the development.
joshI admiration how low it would accept to go, sales-wise, to actively annihilate it. Everything about this agent feels like arduous inertia.
mikespinBut I’d say Average East, Russia and China are apparently the better added markets for this. Hmmm…
joshThe catechism I’m dabbling about is: Why? Why does this still exist? It’s a big animated fun truck, but I aloof don’t see who’s affairs it, where, or—at that price—why? And Toyota acutely isn’t advance in it.
mikespinProbably aloof bridging to the 2020 Tundra redesign. Likely the new one is on the way.
josh But why Sequoia AT ALL? The full-size amplitude seems too aggressive (again) to accept a comically anachronous competitor.
mikespin Why Tundra? WHY ANYTHING, JOSH?
joshI mean, Tundra alone sucks up the assortment from the calm Big Three.
mikespin Maybe the abutting Sequoia will be kickass. Or added of a crossover.
joshMaybe it will be a motorcycle.
mikespinOr a dragon.
josh I like it: it’s big and animated and unkillable, like the SUVs I grew up with, but there’s not abundant to say about this truck. It’s both old and expensive, not congenital absolutely for assignment or absolute off-roading fun. It aloof seems like a carriage specialist, whether that’s kids or a baiter (or kids and a boat).
mikespinIt’s abaft the leaders in towing accommodation but not autogenous space. It’s absolutely cogent that it’s a middle-of-the-pack player, aback it should be the aftermost affair anyone anytime cantankerous shops adjoin a Yukon.
It does accept some addle-brain appeal.
joshIt’s adamantine to recommend.
mikespinIt is adamantine not to as well.
joshIn what way? For $51,000???
joshEither this affair is old and arrangement or it’s new and expensive. It can’t be old and expensive. There’s not abundant there there.
mikespinIt can’t be recommended for $51k. But It’s a arrangement at $30k. So the move is buy a acclimated one.
joshAnd there we accept it.
mikespinBecause it’ll never break. And it looks abundant with big tires and a lift kit.
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